1488

ISIS isn't Muslim, they're a society of radicalism. They recruit young members with "Islam" because it's such an easy religion to blame.

May 23, 17 · +4 · Like · Report

Allow me to expound. Islam itself isn't an issue. However the radicals contorting its stipulations are. When those radicals become the spokesmen for the religion itself and use mass propaganda to integrate others into the "modified faith", then said faith becomes a problem. I dislike the Islam of ISIS, not ISIS

May 23, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

1488

ISIS is not religious, they are radicals. They use Islam as a cover for their misgivings.

May 23, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

ISIS is very religious, their leaders are very well versed and certified in Islamic studies. They use their knowledge to make your average practitioner intensify their fate to the point of blind west hating extremism. They corrupt Islam.

May 23, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

They corrupt islam, true. But Every religion has these kind of radicale, such as the KKK. Posting something like "the religion of peace strikes again" is kind of an attack towards all muslims and basically that is what the radicals want.

May 23, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

"When those radicals become the spokesmen for the religion itself" - I don't believe ISIS is the leader or 'spokesmen' for Islam and the rest of the muslim population would agree to that. Boi, take a seat! You are chatting horseshit.

May 23, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

has anyone ever read the Quran or

May 23, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

@Suffy0 is right, goddamn im gonna like your comment so hard

May 23, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

I agree that its an overgeneralized comment that could be taken in a derogatory manner. Thats on me.

May 23, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Apparently radical means "true to your faith" now, instead of "over the top"

"Radical Jews" are Jews who follow the Law, like the Torah tells them to.

"Radical Christians" are Christians who reach out to the lost to lead them back, like the bible tells them to.

"Radical Muslims" behead and chop off fingers, like the Quran tells them to.

May 23, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

1488

You're an idiot.

May 23, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

craftking178 I suggest you source your claims. Such a statement without evidence (as I'm positive there exists for) will be readily debunked as idiotic.

May 23, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

Suffy0 where are the leaders of islam and the muslim community in this crisis? What are they doing to combat this tide of extremism. I'm not asking them to lay down their lives and start going out on terrorist manhunts but for the love of G-d can some clergy member of their faith rise up and lead your regular devout believer against them

May 23, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

Okay, speaking up as a Christian here, radical Christians are not the people who, as you say, reach out to the lost. Those are just Christians. They're the ones who go and bomb abortion clinics or do horrible things in the name of God.

If that was meant to be sarcastic, though, then someone please tell me because I'm clueless.

May 24, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

@Hirdragnur the phrase "radical Christianity" is a rather dumb one. It should be used to describe those you spoke of, but the US media calls any Christian who actually does what a Christian I supposed to do a "radical" one. As if we are appalling by helping others xD likewise, they call Jihadists radical, but they are also doing as their book tells

May 24, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

Well, I'll point this out.

The bible calls us to lead, teach and help those who are lost. And it seems like they are being lead to kill and convert...

I just think the term radical should be used when people are being harmed, as people are during these attacks.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Islam (radical or not) is simply not a religion of peace. The Qu'ran teaches some very terrible things which you do not find in any other religion. While there are some nice phrases thrown in there, if you have actually spent any time at all you would realize that the main theme of Islam submission and dominance.

Verses:

Violence against non-believers.
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Women:
Quran (4:34) - "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them."

Quran (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

I could find even more verses supporting my claims, but I would fill up page or two. The Qu'ran does not promote peace. It promotes violence and submission. All the radicals do is intensify verses like these to make them seem like they are against western civilization.

May 24, 17 · +10 · Like · Report

Olex

When people compare Christianity and Islam they mention how christianity has adapted and is modernised, which is true. I think they main problem with Islam is the islamic societies such as the middle-east. Christianity evolved along with the wests society, standards etc while Islam didn´t. I think the average muslim in the middle-east follows a very different Islam than let´s say a swedish muslim.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Olex

To some muslims, Sharia law means no alcohol or pork, to some it means that women shouldnt show skin or drive. I think we´re beyond the point where we can judge religious people after the holy books.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Olex

The situation in the middle-east is the only reason muslim extremist groups have become so big and so organized.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

It doesn't matter what some think it means, because if I think Sharia law is butterflies and gummy bears and rainbows, I am simply wrong. Sharia Law is Sharia Law. Just like the Speeding Law is the Speeding Law. It doesn't change based on what I think it is

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

1488

Let's stop commenting on this post. Thanks.

May 24, 17 · +0 · Like · Report

Welcome to the Internet, where we do what we want

the only person who can stop us is the Fish, since it's his wall

May 24, 17 · +0 · Like · Report

Ehm e.e, Enjin really need to add the 'Really Bruh?' rating or the 'Retarded AF' rating for posts like this. XD

May 23, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

Fr_

Instead of fighting over opinions and what is hateful or not, let's consider hard facts instead. Far from all Muslims are terrorists, but the culture and its radicals have come to the point where it occurs on a regular basis.

Allowing a bunch of good refugees will inevitably open up the doors for a few bad ones too. Not allowing these large streams of refugees is the only way to prevent terror attacks from happening in Western countries, as things are looking today. This is not my opinion, it's just a fact.

There are many more sustainable long-term solutions, but on a short term, the only thing that works is to keep them out.

May 23, 17 · +6 · Like · Report

Exactly. Fr I can't begin to comprehend why certain people will simply rush to their aid and immediately justify while ignoring such an obvious FACT.

May 23, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

People rush immediately to the aid of refugees because we would want the same reaction if something were to happen to us. If the United States suffered a catastrophic disaster in the next 24 hours, we would hope that other countries would open their borders to relieve our suffering. Screw nationalism, people need to put people before country.

Can you imagine witnessing your friends and family being murdered around you by bombs sent by organizations justifying their actions with you religion? Can you imagine fleeing for your life to a neighboring country, only to be turned away because you are being associated with the same people who turned your religion against you and killed your family?

To turn these refugees away is to condemn them to their fate, and history will not look kindly on us for turning our backs. I don't have the answer, but that there is the reason, Magikkarp, that people are having such a hard time making this decision you claim is easy.

May 24, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

Its not an easy decision and to be honest neither is it a normal one. The converse argument is that the same people allowing the influx of refugees are allowing or setting the stage for the death of their own citizens. Moreso it wouldn't be so bad that we let them in if the media didn't keep publicizing and disseminating the narrative that the western world and its leader(s) are evil racist islamaphobes. The same people screaming "let them in" are the ones that ironically make them hate us even more than ISIS tells them to.

They have no leadership, no one to mitigate the ire thats inflamed in them by these terrorist groups (that in a fitting sense also came about by a power and leadership absence). It's a recipe for disaster to thoughtlessly permit entry to people that want us dead, our country demolished, and our culture erased. They hate the west, they hate freedom, and by G-d they certainly hate me.

May 24, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

replace the world normal with moral

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Refugee crisis: refugees do NOT want to go to new countries. They DO NOT want to leave. When we say "you can come here" they really don't care at all. When we say "we are going to blow your enemies off the face of the planet so you can stay at home" they become happy

May 24, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

What bull crap. The majority of people seeking refuge in the West do not hate the West. You are simply convincing yourself that they do to make yourself feel better. We force stereotypes and characteristics on these people that are not in fact true. We convince ourselves that they are all extremists who hate America, that they are all vengeful radicals, that they are all sexists and racists alike. All these views of the refugees are simply misconceptions fueled by ignorance. These people are not simply one type of person we can categorize and shove into one box. They are not "villains" and "corrupt people". They are mothers and fathers, sons and daughters.

"By God they hate me", what is your evidence of this claim? Have you ever spoken to a refugee? If your evidence is statements made by radicals preaching hate against America, then your evidence is skewed and biased.

Craft, in an ideal world these people could live happily in their homes without fear of bombardment, but this is far from an ideal world. Contrary to what some gun-happy people may believe, we cannot simply "bomb the hell out of the enemies". Sure, that would be nice and I'm sure the people who also identified those people as enemies would be happy, but it's not that simple. You try organizing a planned attack on the radical Islamic groups in the Middle East and tell me how it works out. Couldn't possibly lead to a drawn out war with little visible accomplishment? So, until you geniuses figure out how to blow up the radicals, why don't we let the children come stay in our country out of harm's way, if that's not too much to ask.

May 24, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

I'm not speaking about the majority. Have you ever heard of the phrase "the peaceful majority are irrelevant"? It makes no difference if only a small percentage of muslims and observers of islam are radicals if that small percentage equates to millions of people wanting us dead. The areas these individuals come from have large numbers of radicalized muslims that genuinely do hate the west and to say otherwise is ignorance. Those influenced by ISIS (a small amount in comparison to the refugee population as a collective true but numerous enough to be quite effectual as recent times have proven) have greater numbers than you may be aware of. I invite you to look in on some of Ben Shapiro's videos on islam and radicalization in countries.

As for the part of my statement where I make the claim that they despise me I will be quite frank. I'm a Jew, which means to them I represent the hellspawn known as Israel. To them I'm another long nosed oppressor of Palestine and that is fact.

May 24, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

I did not say they hate the west, I meant that they do not want to leave their homes. Would you want to pack up and leave every him behind, and go to a comepletely different place? It doesn't matter to them if they are welcomed or not, that's not the point. The point is, THEY DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Why don't we ask the victims what they think?
https://youtu.be/s3uaf1NFxXc

I'm surprised CNN let him speak anything anti Obama/Hilliary

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

@Magikkarp Ben Shapiro is amazing

Logic > Feelings

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

You yourself claim that the radicals are of the minority. And you say that this minority equates to millions, which poses a threat to our society and way of life. Come here, let's take a quick journey through modern history. How many terrorist attacks have taken place in the past two decades or so? Certainly more than we would like and certainly too many for comfort. However, have been there millions? No, I don't think there have been.

Let's also look at the type of terrorist attacks that have happened in the past two decades in America. Hmm. I see a white man with a gun gone mad, oh look he was born in America. Hmm. I see another white man with a gun gone mad, oh look he was born in America too. Home grown terrorism is as much of part of terrorism as terrorism from the Middle East, so let's not place all the blame on them, hmm?

To reiterate my point, this all goes back to the fact that we cannot blame, and henceforth punish, the majority for a radical minority. We cannot place blame on the 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world, even if 5 million of them are radicals. Let's do some math. If there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and 5 million of them are radicals, that means 1 in every 300 Muslims is a radical. Currently, the US allows in 110,000 refugees, but that number is expected to decrease to 50,000 in the upcoming year. Some more math here, and we find that out of those 55,000, using our ratio from above, that amounts to a total of *drumroll please* 167 radical Muslim refugees coming into America!! Now I'm no genius here, but I think that's a hell'a lot less than 1 million, wouldn't you say?

And to the whole argument about you being a Jew so they hate you. Why don't you try a little Gandhi magic on that problem and try being kind to your enemies and make the world a better place.

May 24, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

craftking178 it is true they don't want to leave their homes, but they have to! I don't think you understand how bad their situation is. If they stay at home they will likely be killed by Trump's bombing or ISIS soldiers. They may not want to leave but they have to. Have you not seen all the stories about them doing anything too leave? People are getting on boats that are no better than a row boat and sailing 50 people across the Mediterranean and they occasionally end of drowning, because it is still better than staying where they are! So yes, they don't want to leave their homes, but ISIS gives them no choice!

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

As someone with numerous muslim classmates I am very nice. I'm kind and respectful to everyone. I don't stand in their face and scream "You're a cancer to America!" Who do you take me for

Of course there are white men with guns gone mad. That is an unavoidable fact and I won't deny it. The question is that is it a statistical trend that if you are white then you will be a school shooter. You have to examine the motivation for these "white men with guns". Mental illness prevails among them, but other reasons can be the glorification and instant stardom that comes with it, revenge and retaliation to bullying or perceived abuse, and various other reasons. You will have scattered across these transpirations your radical christian school shooter, but since the christian faith doesn't directly call for killing infidels and there is a nigh absence of christian groups and leaders of them calling for extreme attacks that its a moot point; And no the KKK is not a valid rebuttal as they have lose every ounce of credibility with our actively taught racial tolerance education. Lastly it doesn't really make sense to bring this up as an excuse for radical islamic terrorists as importing these radicals only exacerbate the issue of domestic homegrown terrorism regardless.

Now as for the point you brought out that a lot of terrorists are born in America. Thats true as well. These are the same people that are just trying to be devout and then are coerced into acts of terror by the massive propaganda platform that ISIS has and the media perpetuates. If you're a muslim and the entire day you hear just about every major news source and political figure blaring out "Trump hates muslims" and "Americans are racist villains" then of course you're going to hate said group of people. We dig our own grave by spouting such nonsense and all the while making mockeries of their culture by parading around in vagina hats and holding gay pride parades in the middle of the street. Do you think for a second that those that are radicalized or

May 24, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

Most here that state the obvious rightard-wing, are quite pathetic. You come up with reasons of which most of you Guys have never experienced. I bet none of you have actually spoken to a refugee yet somehow seem to make the desicions for them. What you are doing is simply spreading hate on innocent people. Its clear that IS actually was funded by the US to have reasons to attack. But I guess none of you know that since the only thing you watch is Fox News and the corrupted CNN.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Hard to speak to a refugee when they can't even speak english :^)

May 24, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

@Jorimd unless they... I dunno... Learned English? WOW IMPOSSIBLE THIS IS WITCHCRAFT

May 24, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

@aaronjnc watch that video I sent plz. They do not want to be refugees, and they do not have to be, so why let them? As the US has recently demonstrated, we are fully capable of wiping ISIS off the face of the earth. It's just gonna require a tiny bit more effort

May 24, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

Olex

I agree but at the same time, not letting people in... wouldn´t that just make it easier for the IS to recruit?

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Olex

Craftking, ofcourse they don´t want to leave their homes, but they have too.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Olex

They obviously don´t want to leave their homes and travel accross the mediterrean sea in boats that could sink at any moments, they pay smugglers large amounts of money aswell. They might not have a very positive attitude against the west, which there is explainations for.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

what did the US do to demonstrate this exactly?

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

craftking178 I'm referring to fact that most ''refugees'' fail to integrate in the societies of the countries they end up in (Germany, Sweden).

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Because they don't want to integrate, they want to go home. Say your home country started being mean, so you leave behind everything you know to go somewhere safer until things back home calm down. It really doesn't matter if those people welcome you or not, if they do nothing to solve the problem

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

craftking178 Can you clearly, in one post, explain your opinion on the topic of refugees?

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Refugees do not wish to be refugees. It does not matter to them if you welcome them or not, because all they want to do is go home. You welcoming them doesn't change anything. BUT, if we clear up the problems which caused them to be refugees, (ISIS, Taliban, oppressive government, etc) they can go home. In the link above, you can see that actual Syrians agree with me. Just kill the problems (which we can do) an they don't have to be refugees

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

So what you are suggesting is that the ultimate solution is to end the war and violence in their countries. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees on that, but it's not as simple as that. If it was, then why wouldn't it have happened already?

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Because our nations are being led by scaredy cat liberals who are frightened their own citizens will be offended. And, if you watch the recent US news, we are doing something. Tomohawk the Syrian bases used to gas citizens, and MOAB the Taliban

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Well by that logic, now that Trump is in charge, surely the whole problem will go away?

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Olex

According to craftkings wall, yes. He´s a hardcore christian republican.

May 28, 17 · +0 · Like · Report

Religion + Politics = Digging yourself a deeper grave.

May 24, 17 · +3 · Like · Report

For the sake of banter I had to do it

May 24, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

Ya dun goofed my friend.

May 24, 17 · +2 · Like · Report

Religion IS politics. People only believe what they believe because of what they believe. Everyone has a political view and everyone has a religion

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

under no circumstances should religion be involved in politics

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

@craftking178 Yo no comprendo. Sorry-o.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

I'm going to disagree. I look at -everything- through the lens of my faith. I don't go overboard and throw it in people's faces like others do, but I choose what I choose based on that.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Go you, then!

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

@Buckytheblade I don't follow a religion, so I can't relate with you, but it seems to make sense.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

The religions of "Athiesm" or "Agnosticism" are religions, and effect how you choose. Your religious views are your political views. Nobody says "I am against abortion, as my religion states I is bad" then voice pro-murder

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Did you just... assume... my... faith?

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Actually, the reasons you just gave are WHY I'm against abortion. Because it's murder.

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Agreed. Pro-murder people are either misinformed or in denial. And I did. You claimed to have no faith, so you fall into either the denial of obvious evidence (Athiesm) or the ignorance of obvious evidence (Agnosticism)

May 24, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

I'd ask what you mean by "evidence",

craftking178 but that would most probably be the spark to set off a flamewar, and I wouldn't want to make Magi suffer from any more vehement comments under this post

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Grrr gravy I hate you for asking questions

lol jk
The evidence of intellegent design is everywhere. Nature, the human body, anatomy, microbiology, astronomy, the existsnce of intellegent life, the existsnce of life itself, are all evidences of intellegent design. Every culture since the beginnin of time has had a god or gods, This is because it was evident that someone or something intelligent created everything. Athiesm is mostly a recent belief, that there is no God or gods. And really, the idea of a god has been around since the beginning, and there is no evidence against it, so Athiesm is more of a state of denial than a true belief. But, because of Athiesm, we have Agnosticism. Agnostics are usually 1 of 2 variants. A Thiestic agnostic was once of faith, but was led astray by Athiesm, and now they believe a god exists, however, he is unreachable and unknown, or simply doesn't care.
Athiestic agnostics usually come from Athiesm, and see evidence for a creator, OR, do not want to be associated with the close-mindedness of Athiest. Either way, they wish to be seperated from them

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

I'm sorry that I wrote this comment.

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

craftking178 You mentioned that the concept of God has always been a thing until recently, do you not perhaps think that is because of a flaw in human thinking (looking for meaning) and because recently there has been a large development in scientific research which has largely contradicted many old religious statements?

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

I do not think this is human flaw, because the evidence for it is still around. Also, please provide some of this research. And the concept of God is still very much a thing. Some consider it good, others a distant being who forsake us, an some an ideal to be hated just for existing. There is no evidence you can provide to prove the existance of intelligent design incorrect. Consider that a challenge, if you wish

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belongingness

And may I see some of the evidence you are using to determine that it is true?

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

Checkmate.

May 25, 17 · +1 · Like · Report

#triggered

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