He's doing the same thing Underscore did basically. Underscore > Hates all Christians for no absolute reason. Brandon > Hates on Underscore to get people to hate him without knowing a reason.
If I did that, I would've left it at the strawpoll. I was way too slow in offering backstory to the letter, but I didn't throw people in entirely blind.
You put another text and a petition to the strawpoll. That doesn't change anything. You built a hatewave against Underscore, and now that Chiss handled the situation, you apparently regret it? Wow congrats, you must be really proud of yourself.
Petition was unnecessary, I'll admit. "Chiss handled the situation, you apparently regret it? Wow congrats, you must be really proud of yourself." I regret the actions that people took. I don't regret anything I did past the petition and some of my more unsubstantiated wall posts -- those were unnecessary and unconstructive.
You can't really use the "how would you feel" argument here. One, it's entirely pathos based. Secondly, knowing I broke the rules and was probably being sheltered by an Admin, I would resign and publically apologize immediately. Because what I did was wrong. Boom. Avoided most of the hate and what's left is easy to refute, because I did the right thing.
"That thread was just bad, you told him that he broke the "communication policy", and compared him with Necrai." If Necrai did stuff past the communication policy breakage (staff docs leak) then I'm not entirely aware of it. The comparison was strictly to make the point that one had been demoted and one hadn't.
But you know which rule of the communication policy Necrai broke, and which one Underscore broke? They're in ENTIRELY DIFFERENT dimensions. And Necrai was given a second chance as well by now. So was Underscore given one.
You're not entirely aware of it then. He spread (not leak) some docs from what I've been told (I wasn't on Mineplex at that time, unfortunately). His unban was (and is) his second chance from what I know.
His unban was (and is) his second chance from what I know. --- and so far he has not done anything to merit a ban again. Also: He spread (not leak) some docs from what I've been told (I wasn't on Mineplex at that time, unfortunately). What is the difference, as far as Mineplex is concerned?
"You didn't even show us WHAT he did (even though many of us know, still explain it)." I couldn't exactly leak the comm. policy without being network banned, so that was research people had to do on their own. I did, however, state that he did break the communication policy -- the details required research on behalf of the reader.
The crux of this letter is simple: With the linking of his ask.fm [with crude, NSFW content] to his Enjin wall, he has broken the communication policy. How he did it, I can't explain without leaking staff documents -- but as there ARE copies and links to the communication policy floating around on certain websites, you are definitely able to find it if you try hard enough.
Every single person I am aware of previously has been instantly demoted for breaking this particular section of the communication policy. People have been demoted for much less (Intergalactic for a few non-disrespectful gay jokes / immaturity(?), an unnamed staff member for badmouthing blondebug in a PRIVATE chat...)
Underscore has clearly violated the communication policy, an offense far worse...and nothing. Nothing happened, except for the taking down of his ask.fm which we all know happened at the urging of blondebug when people like myself protested these double standards. A few days later, a public apology was issued -- which I am refuting.
Most staff members wouldn't have even had the chance to apologize before their demotion.
The virtually petulant and almost give-me-my-apology-too! mannerism of this letter makes me think that this apology is as fake as the claims that this isn't favoritism.
Well, first of all, Intergalactic was demoted for more than that. As for Underscore, I agree that he should've been demoted. What I don't agree with is how you created a thread about that, another one. There were too many already, threads that were better, WAY better. Your thread, and also the open letter, just spread hate. Funny enough, in the three recent cases of major riots against Trainees (Krigermort, Sven and Underscore, excluding AppleFTW) I've been against them BEFORE the hate started (eg. I had a debate with Krigermort long before that stuff with k4dude happened, and even long before I even thought how popular he could get once), but in all three cases, I've turned away from the hate and ended up defending them.
"Well, first of all, Intergalactic was demoted for more than that." Immaturity, etc. But most of us would point to the gay jokes as the primary reason.
What I don't agree with is how you created a thread about that, another one. There were too many already, threads that were better, WAY better. <-- Really, do tell. I hadn't realized there were an abundance of people posting only the relevant evidence.
" Funny enough, in the three recent cases of major riots against Trainees (Krigermort, Sven and Underscore, excluding AppleFTW) I've been against them BEFORE the hate started (eg. I had a debate with Krigermort long before that stuff with k4dude happened, and even long before I even thought how popular he could get once), but in all three cases, I've turned away from the hate and ended up defending them." Relevance to your point?
"Further on, it felt like you just wanted to put your petition out there to get people to hate on Underscore. And the worst thing, you succeeded." I wanted him demoted, not hated on. What people did as an extrapolation of that wasn't something I can readily control. While, yes, my personal dislike for him almost certainly saturated into my writing -- that isn't exactly something I can stop without disabling who I am as a writer.
You did not encourage bullying? No one did. You made a strawpoll and a petition. Others filled that out. People saw how many hate on Underscore, and went with the flow. That's how bullying starts.
"So you have bullied him. Even if you haven't noticed, it's the exact definition of it." I didn't bully him. That was the actions of others. You could pin the blame on me for being the enabler, I think -- but that doesn't actually make me the bully.
If an IRL mate of you tells all your friends that you are a douchebag, that you're annoying as hell and everybody hates you, and they start hating you as well, who would you blame? The one talking bad stuff about you or the people that just followed him? I don't see why you're trying to hush away from the fact that you've been bullying him for quite a while. In case that you're someone who's against bullies, you're in the position of one now - you never intended to hurt him, but he annoyed you, you disliked him and that's how it all started.
Hm. As far as I'm concerned, bullying has everything to do with intent. My intent wasn't to create bullying...therefore, as far as I'm concerned, anyways, it's not bullying. So I don't particularly feel bad for it. Bullying concerns a significant power imbalance -- I didn't particularly have anything over Underscore minus the fact that, well, he broke the comm. policy. Point being, as far as I'm concerned, as far as MY actions were concerned -- he wasn't a victim. This isn't of course a justification for what people following me did.
So if I bully someone but don't intent to hurt him that's perfectly fine? Does that make it better for the victim? Quite some "bullies" don't really notice that they're bullying someone, including me when I bullied a girl a few years ago. He wasn't a victim you say? What else? He was definitely a victim of bullying during the past few days/weeks.
"So if I bully someone but don't intent to hurt him that's perfectly fine? Does that make it better for the victim? Quite some "bullies" don't really notice that they're bullying someone, including me when I bullied a girl a few years ago." 'bullying' w/o intent =/= bullying
"He wasn't a victim you say? What else? He was definitely a victim of bullying during the past few days/weeks." Read: As far as MY actions were concerned.
"You know how to manipulate the community here, you've done it several times and you did again just now." This one legitimately wasn't intentional so far as the hate goes. Did I want people to want to see him demoted for breaking a legitimate rule? Hell yeah! I didn't, however, publically ask for people to hate him or bully him. That isn't something I wanted to happen from this and it is sad that it did.
Of course they'd fill the strawpoll and come up with their opinions. Did I think that would translate to bullying -- or uninformed opinions [ which is WHY I linked the doc in the first place! ]? No.
You wouldn't feel sad at all, if you saw that all the people that once loved you instantly start to discriminate you? What if that "legitimate reason" was that you bullied Underscore? Legitimate for others, but not for you. Wouldn't you fight to stay alive?
" You wouldn't feel sad at all, if you saw that all the people that once loved you instantly start to discriminate you? What if that "legitimate reason" was that you bullied Underscore? Legitimate for others, but not for you. Wouldn't you fight to stay alive? " Well, namely, bullying (certainly not at the level I didn't do [until proven otherwise] -- I certainly didn't openly call for harassment or DDOS or blackmail or leak info) isn't a network bannable offense. Wouldn't even be a legitimate reason.
Yep. Wouldn't even be a legitimate reason FOR YOU. For others, it would possibly be. How would you react if 89% of the people would still want you to leave?
You can't keep pushing a point that doesn't relate to me. I've already told you -- if I or anyone else DID SOMETHING to deserve it, then, yes. Too bad for them.
"Please, I beg you, come with arguments or stay out of it. You got staff's attention, a simple thread would've been enough." I did five actions (or sets of) that I can recall that matter here: strawpoll, wallposts, thread, petition, and open letter. The strawpoll, I'll admit, was curiosity. I wanted to see just how many people wanted this done. The wallposts -- yes. Those were inappropriate to say the least. Lots of them were done while particularly angry over something and I'm ashamed of them -- and, really, it's what I'm apologizing for. The thread was necessary to spread the strawpoll and open letter. The petition wasn't necessary at all -- someone told me I should make a petition and it seemed like a relatively good idea at the time when, really, it wasn't necessary. The open letter was both a satirical snub on my part and a way of educating the people uninformed of the situation...and that isn't something I regret writing.
I'd be fine with the open letter as well if there weren't 175263993 open letters already. JC brought his opinion on the case, Envied did. That pretty much was everything needed, I'm pretty sure that that would've been enough. Instead, people like you decided not to stop hitting Underscore, you kept the hate alive, and wrote even more open letters that were in no way necessary - you got staff's attention already, what else was needed? Be honest, did you want him demoted, or did you want him demoted with tons of people knowing that it was you who got a mean racist anti-religious [enter other arguments] demoted? The letter's purpose was to manipulate people to think the way that you think.
"JC brought his opinion on the case, Envied did" If I recall correctly, both letters brought in mostly irrelevant information. That wasn't going to help anything.
"Instead, people like you decided not to stop hitting Underscore, you kept the hate alive, and wrote even more open letters that were in no way necessary - you got staff's attention already, what else was needed?" a) I wrote one open letter dedicated to using non-outdated or irrelevant information b) Staff have had a history of not demoting people that deserved to be.
"Be honest, did you want him demoted, or did you want him demoted with tons of people knowing that it was you who got a mean racist anti-religious [enter other arguments] demoted? The letter's purpose was to manipulate people to think the way that you think." Woah, that's an interesting thought you're taking there. If you're asking if I'm doing this stuff for attention/fame, well -- that's something I'll leave entirely up to you, as I doubt I'll be able to convince you. As for the letter's purpose -- I've already stated it, and you can continue to make extrapolations from that if you so choose.
How was Envied's letter irrelevant? It was what was needed to get him demoted, not less not more, it showed the ask.fm quotes. No explanations or excuses or any communication policy stuff or comparisons to Necrai needed. Also, what staff members would you like to see demoted? Krigermort and AppleFTW aren't staff members anymore, and everybody forgave Sven, is there something somewhere that I didn't see?
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