Either way, sex dolls aren't human beings and pedophiles tend to like children because they can exert control over them. Sex dolls are similar to porn in the way they don't provide a sense of control(which pedophiles crave) so in no way will it be possible to compare to the real thing. And in fact legalization of child sex dolls will actually encourage pedophiles which is not a good thing. Not to mention it provides acceptance of pedophiles not in the way that it's a mental illness but rather a completely normal thing. The brain of a pedophile is no different than someone with moderate to severe schizophrenia. I find it interesting that you'd actually argue this considering that I figured you were intelligent. However, I don't think you see the bigger picture here. You can never fight mental illness by encouraging a mental illness to develop(which child sex dolls will do). Not to mention with child sex dolls it's highly likely that society will normalize pedophilia. A similar tactic was used for trans people (accepting that there are other genders). Not to mention with the rise of people accepting pedophilia as a sexuality ("pedosexuality") the use of child sex dolls will only be used as ammunition by said people
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i hear you on these points. i think they are understandable, and all i want to do is make sure people are clear on the science, rather than wandering around the issue without the facts. since i've done a good deal of research on this topic, i want to clear up some of the scientific facts on this.
you say that pedophiles like children because they can exert control over them. i dont know what the ostensible basis of this claim is (please back it up if you want to clear this up for me), but what i can tell you is that pedophiles like children because they have connections in the brain between the stimulus of a child and the response of sexual arousal (instead of the response of caring, protection, etc that non-pedophiles have).
the facts on the brains of pedophiles and schizophrenics are also a little more of a gray area than that. the brains of a pedophile and a schizophrenic both exhibit cerebral white matter deficiencies, but a schizophrenic brain exhibits these abnormalities in the frontotemporal region (source) and pedophiles in the temporal and parietal lobes (source). so these are different. but it's true that the bodies, non-right-hanednesses, and IQs of pedophiles and schizophrenics are similar. both tend towards being a couple centimeters shorter than avg, less likely to be right handed, and a few IQ points lower (source on pedos 1 2, source on schizos 1 2 3).
i'm only making the argument on the basis of all this evidence i'm citing, but if you want to say that's not intelligent, you're gonna have to show me what is.
on the matter of treatment and normalization, i
you say that pedophiles like children because they can exert control over them. i dont know what the ostensible basis of this claim is (please back it up if you want to clear this up for me), but what i can tell you is that pedophiles like children because they have connections in the brain between the stimulus of a child and the response of sexual arousal (instead of the response of caring, protection, etc that non-pedophiles have).
the facts on the brains of pedophiles and schizophrenics are also a little more of a gray area than that. the brains of a pedophile and a schizophrenic both exhibit cerebral white matter deficiencies, but a schizophrenic brain exhibits these abnormalities in the frontotemporal region (source) and pedophiles in the temporal and parietal lobes (source). so these are different. but it's true that the bodies, non-right-hanednesses, and IQs of pedophiles and schizophrenics are similar. both tend towards being a couple centimeters shorter than avg, less likely to be right handed, and a few IQ points lower (source on pedos 1 2, source on schizos 1 2 3).
i'm only making the argument on the basis of all this evidence i'm citing, but if you want to say that's not intelligent, you're gonna have to show me what is.
on the matter of treatment and normalization, i
as a final point about pedophilia as a sexuality, this is another point that science and science only can speak to. and the scientific consensus in the field is, again, that pedophilia is just like a sexual orientation (and this is observed with all kinds of paraphilias; they are known as exclusive paraphilias). for the science behind this, i refer you to a paper by another leading expert on pedophilia, Michael Seto of Ottowa, which is in full at that link.
now that you're cleared up on the science and the facts pertinent to this discussion, what do you think?
now that you're cleared up on the science and the facts pertinent to this discussion, what do you think?
I'm one of those whom liken it to addiction. Whilst scientific research is divided between "addiction" and "sexual orientation" I lean more towards the addiction side as brain scans show. This article might be a little interesting to you: https://www.thedailybeast.com/what-science-reveals-about-pedophilia https://www.google.com/amp/s/neuroanthropology.net/2010/05/10/inside-the-mind-of-a-pedophile/amp/
This is also an interesting article but I don't agree with every point it makes https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2017.00645/full
yeah ive seen that shit about paraphilias being on the OC spectrum. the neurological evidence is preliminary really, and ive read about that before and the other leading point of evidence is that paraphilias have been reduced somewhat by treatment for OC spectrum, particularly with SSRIs. but then again SSRIs are known to decrease sex drive, and they also have a lot of other effects, and the evidence that they were helpful was only for a few cases , and wasnt always effective. so it's a very weak argument. either way, i dont really think it's relevant to the argument about sex dolls at all. if it is an addiction, that doesnt mean that trying to provide a coping mechanism will make them lose control.
Anyway, there's just as much evidence of pedophiles being on the oc spectrum as there is of them not. Either way, I don't believe that by using child sex bots that it'll solve the issue as whilst the sex bots can make noises and other noises it does nothing to curve the lust for actual children because the bots aren't up to the level of human iq, and eq. Pedophiles tend to be highly imaginative but I don't think even their imagination whilst also aided by sounds or reactions can ever match the real thing. In fact, I would actually go as far to say they'd have the same reaction to child pornography as they would to a child sex bot. Now, if society was advanced by another 100 or so years it's possible bots could have the iq and eq of real human beings. Right now, I believe it's just wishful thinking of yours and I also don't believe it'll ever be realized. I'm not someone whom believes it's possible to fight lust with lust or in my opinion addiction with addiction.
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